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Kathi Burns  0:04 
Hi there, I'm board certified professional organizer Kathi Burns. I'm really glad you're here. This podcast is designed for busy entrepreneurs just like you who want to take better control of your business and move forward with less stress and more success. If this is your first time listening then thanks for coming. The Organized Energized podcast is produced for your enjoyment and show notes are found at ThePodcast@OrganizedandEnergized.com. Come back often and feel free to add this podcast to your favorite RSS feed or iTunes. You can also follow me on Twitter at organized energy and Facebook. All links are in the show notes. Now let's get into the show. Hi, everyone. This is Kathi and I am back today I'm so excited because I'm speaking with Patrick Carney. Born and raised in New York City. Patrick started hanging out with New York's West Village in '64. And he dedicated his time to drawing and painting the world of rock and roll music, where he soon became an influential documentarian artist of Rocksmith celebrated musicians. He traveled throughout the US attending rock concerts, painting, whatever he felt inspired to do, capturing the passion and creativity and caught this stuff in real time forever. Known as The Artiste, he loves sharing stories at his art shows of these chance meetings, and went on to form strong relationships with so many famous musicians. I'm so excited to have Patrick on because I really want to talk about passion and art and how you can turn what you love to do into a living. So Patrick, thank you so much for joining me and giving me your time on this show today.

Patrick Carney  1:40 
Thanks, Kathi. I appreciate being here.

Kathi Burns  1:43 
Yeah, absolutely. Okay, so you were in New York City you were hanging out? When did you start drawing? Did you start drawing when you were like a toddler or what?

Patrick Carney  1:53 
Yeah, so I cannot remember not to not drawing my mother always said to everybody that I came out of the womb with a pencil in my hand.

Kathi Burns  2:02 
I absolutely love that. And growing up in New York, you were able to be around a lot of really stunning caricatures, right, or characters that you could that you can sketch.

Patrick Carney  2:14 
Yeah, well, you know, what I would do, which was really one of the great starts to having the ability for relationships was when I was on the subway or on the train, I would actually pick somebody out to draw and hand it to them before they got off the train. And it just said on there call me with my phone number. And 100% of the people called me.

Kathi Burns  2:42 
Wow, well, you're so good there. People think I've never had a sketch of myself that says good. So of course they're gonna call you. Wow. So you would need some crazy people on the subway and what a gift. So basically, you have a gift and you're giving it back every day as you're on the subway.

Patrick Carney  3:01 
Yeah, I still do that today. I have three grandchildren now six, three, and almost two. And I capture them and now I capture my friends are going through the same thing their grandchildren and just send it to them, you know, could you guess there's a lot like Dave Corbin you know, Dave Corbin the illuminator. And Tim Flannery, second baseman for the Padres. We're all going through this at the exact same time. So I like, you know, capturing that kind of thing. And you know, it's my gift, man.

Kathi Burns  3:36 
That's amazing. So if you had any tips for fledgling artists or musicians that really want to do this for a living? What would you tell someone who's starting on that path?

Patrick Carney  3:47 
Well, the first thing I would tell him, which I wish someone had told me, is to document everything. That's the first thing, document, document document and then find mentors, find individuals that are doing what you would like to do. And what I have learned over the years, is that the bigger they are, the more access we have to. So do not fear having your asked in here. As you know, and you spoke there. I have a mastermind every Tuesday morning. I've been running it for 41 years. And I have invited 174 of the top speakers in the world there. And 172 have shown up. So think about that. And it it happens because you have you're asking here so if you're an artist and you need to learn something, or you're not sure about the business part of you find a mentor, sit down with them. And I was when I went to the School of Visual Arts in New York City Art School. And one of my great teachers was a guy painter named Chuck Close, and he was just starting out. And now you know, his painting sell for hundreds of 1000s of dollars. One of the first things I learned from him was always have a empty chair next to you. So a mentor, a friend, or another artist could sit, and you could interact and build what your knowledge what your knowledge needed to be.

Kathi Burns  5:37 
Wow, that is, so that's astounding. And wow. So everybody is six degrees away from me, right anyhow, in the world. So I think that's amazing advice. Now, I know that you are mentoring kids. So let me tell me a little bit about your kiddo program and what you've been doing here to help help the next generation become artists.

Patrick Carney  6:01 
When the pandemic hit, and we started to hang out, you know, and not go anywhere. I moved, my mastermind is zoom for the first time. And you know, all these years, we went to zoom. And a friend of mine, Scott Duffy started a program radio program that I was helping him with, called what now? And during one of our conversations, he said to me, I would love to have my two daughters have art lessons with you. And I was thinking, wow, that could be something I do. And that could be a break, get back. And so what I created two, two different lessons that worked out really, really well for these kids, if one was how to take the object. And understand what the object really is, what it feels like, what it tastes like, what it smells like, and so let's pretend a flower. Okay, so we'd spend two or three minutes just understand and move to the leafs and then move to the petals. And when they had it, when they felt the passion of that flower, when they really understood what that flower was all about. And they had it in their soul. Put it down. So I could see him put it down, right. And I would have them draw that flower with their eyes closed. And they would, they would, you can't believe what they would create was amazing. So that when they when we had him just paint it with their eyes open, it was so easy, because the passion flowed out, right from their heart down their arm into their hand into the, to the brighter pencil. And we had this was amazing.

Kathi Burns  7:59 
That's incredible. So they start drawing it with your eyes closed, and then they open.

Patrick Carney  8:04 
Yeah, keep the eyes close to the whole thing. Okay, one. And then the second one, they do it, you know, regular as if you know how many people have told you told me in my lifetime, I cannot draw a stick thing. I mean, it's got to be 1000s. And I say you're wrong. Because we have it all the neuroscientists tell us we have it all, until we're approximately seven. And then society and parents, friends and all schools get in the way. So it's still in there. So let's just tap into it. Now, I'm not saying you're going to be the Passo or whatever. Michelangelo, what I'm saying is, you have the ability to draw.

Kathi Burns  8:55 
That's incredible. And I love the idea of being very visceral, being very 3d with the image of the of the flower. And I think it's a very similar thing when entrepreneurs are starting their business to really like, what's it gonna feel like? What's it gonna sound like? What's it gonna taste like, how's it going to invite you know, what, how's it going to work in my life, like seeing it as a 3d entity that their passion is going to flow into, and then I think they can definitely branch out and create a much more successful business by doing that. And I think it's a similar thing with what you're doing with the kiddos, boy, I think you should do that as YouTube classes. Patrick, I think you got nothing to do.

Patrick Carney  9:39 
Yeah. Well, you know, you're talking about entrepreneurs and talk, you know, and how entrepreneurs typically end up alone, you know, we're doing it we're doing everything we're wearing all 15 hats and, and all those kinds of things. And what I learned really early I was very lucky to learn this early. Is that that life is a team sport. And that we must surround ourselves with, with key people who motivate us, inspire us and push us. Which is exactly why I facilitate that mastermind every Tuesday morning. I would highly recommend that entrepreneurs find and join a mastermind. And a mastermind group is generally a small group of like minded people who meet regularly to support each other's growth. Now, the cool thing is, it's all about the new man. One and one is three, one and one is 31. And one is 301, and one to 3000. Well, what do I mean by that? In my mastermind, is 12 members. However, each meeting, there's not just 12 members there. There's every influencer, every mentor, every parent, every sibling, every uncle, every aunt, every professor, every teacher, all in that room. So typically, we have two to 3000 people in that room every time we meet and go through the hots. So think about that, as an entrepreneur. If you're sitting home, and you know, in your office, and you're blocked from inspiration or your blog, your passion is kind of subduing, and you got to meet each week. With those 12 entrepreneurs, and the two or 3000 influencers, what would that do for your business? That's why I have a mastermind. I mean, there is not one week, in all these years that I haven't received the nugget that I could use. That's what it's all about.

Kathi Burns  11:59 
Yeah, that's such good advice. And, man, I could just dissect this whole podcast, I have a quote after quote after quote that I'd like to use for you. I don't know where I'm going to begin, anyhow. Wow. Yeah, I agree. And if you're feeling like you're not energized, and you're feeling burnt out with your business, I agree, I totally agree. The best thing to do is to find like minded individuals, doing yourself a mastermind find, even if they don't have a mastermind that you want, make your own right?

Patrick Carney  12:29 
Absolutely.

Kathi Burns  12:31 
What would you say? Is your best tip for someone who wanted to start a mastermind on their own if they can't, maybe they're out in Idaho all alone and can't find anybody?

Patrick Carney  12:42 
Read Napoleon Hill's book, Think and Grow Rich number one. And obviously, you could find anything you need on the internet on how to run a mastermind. I mean, it's it's all there, you know, or they can call me.

Kathi Burns  12:57 
I love it. Yeah. And you're amazing resource. You've been you've been my helper and my friend for many, many years, Patrick, and I appreciate it. So look, you guys are not going to get you're not going to believe it, you need to go to Patrick's Twitter. And we'll have the link down below so that you can see all of his amazing artists just off the charts insane. So good. I really appreciate that. So if you'll love it, if there's anything that I should ask you that I've not asked you about your life or your business. What have I missed? There's so many nuggets already. I don't even know where to start. But what would you say would be something that I should have asked you that I didn't?

Patrick Carney  13:40 
Well, you know what, it's funny. I asked myself a question every single morning. Every morning, I asked myself, What is the first or next step? That question creates for me heartstopping excitement. You know, when I was a young artist, you starting out, no one told me about what I would be going through. You know, people said, If I heard I was going to starve, I must have heard that. I don't know. 10,000 times? No one said to me, Hey, go read Think and Grow Rich by Napoleon Hill, or How to Win Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie or the Seven Habits of Highly Effective People by Stephen Covey, or Dare to Lead by Brene Brown. Yeah, you know, so for the last 30 years, I've hung around with these people. I get to hang around with them like you do. We get to you know, and I painted their portraits. So nobody back then took the time to do these things for beginners. I wish somebody had. So I applaud you for doing this and having this conversation because because it's important that we asked, what is the first or next step? Because that's, that's what, that's what we needed to you know, and prioritize. I mean, I hate rules and regulations, okay? I just hate them. However, I have come to realize that they, they, they work. So when you start out as an entrepreneur, before you do anything, before you hire anyone, before you get a mentor, or any of those kinds of things, create what I call the rules of the game. If you don't have the rules of the game set, who's gonna write them? Okay, the employees are the people we interact with, and the men or whatever. So it's important for us to know where we're going. Now we can adapt those rules over the time, however, start out with a set of rules. I had a friend of mine, and you probably know this individual, I'm not gonna name them. However, probably five years ago, they called me and said, Oh, my God, you know, I'm I expanded my business. And I hired my very first CEO. And I'm like, Oh, great. Not so great. She, she tells the tears started flowing they go, What do you mean? And she goes, well, she's doing this. And she was doing that. And I say, Well, I just have one question. Did you write the rules of the game? And she said, No. I said, Well, it's all wait to write rules. Now. However, I will come and facilitate with you. And we'll, we'll create the rules. So five years later, the CEO is doing phenomenal, because now they're on the same page.

Kathi Burns  16:56 
So it's writing the rules of your game, your business?

Patrick Carney  17:01 
What you believe what you understand, and how the business to run.

Kathi Burns  17:05 
Right? So take, for instance, what would be a rule, just for those out there something this rule?

Patrick Carney  17:13 
Could be around integrity. It could be your mission statement could be your vision statement. It could be anything, it gives you like the hours that we work, that you're expected to be here. It could be all I mean, whatever you can dream up could be a rule of beginning.

Kathi Burns  17:32 
Yeah, I find that too. It's kind of goes back to the it's the mission statement is the ethics. It's like one of my rules is creating sustainable skill set for my clients, not just doing it for them, creating sustainable skills. It's part of our code of ethics as as the board certified organizer anyhow. But for me, it fits really nicely in my package of my business. So yeah, but I don't think people really think about that. And I think that's, that's like an amazing, amazing insight, Patrick, that's huge. So create the rules for your business gang, especially before you hire people.

Patrick Carney  18:17 
Because, as I said, they'll write the rules. I mean, if I don't write the rules, somebody else could write the rules, you know, and so, you know, that's, that's, that's another one. And then it like, when we started the mastermind, we desired rules of the game. We also desired vision, and synergy and Win Win attitude. And out of the box thinking, entrepreneurial spirit, being in integrity, which is talking about being integrity. Oh, purposeful action, that even on your own when you're not being directed by me. And you see, action that needs to be taken, taken, you know, inspired creativity, and coachable employees, employees that desire to spend time with a mentor to get somewhere or take a course or a because, you know, I say to some of the entrepreneurs that are doing, you know, decent, why not pay for college, for these employees and create this win win. I mean, think about that. Think about the people in our lives, who get that we're in gratitude because they're just because they're in our lives, what they've done for us, and they're all givers. Everybody that we hang around with are givers. Yeah. That that's, that's you know, that's how we have to surround ourselves.

Kathi Burns  19:51 
Yeah, the more you give, the more you get. So anyhow, and so you get these unexpected things, from formulation chips, which is huge gifts that you didn't even know that you needed. Do you add them? And they're like, Oh, how do I do that without that the whole time, right? So, wow. Well, I so appreciate your time, Patrick. I'm always inspired and in all with you every time we talk, you're really, really inspiring to me. And I appreciate your time being on this show. And I know that everyone out there is going to get a bunch of takeaways from this podcast. So thank you so much.

Patrick Carney  20:30
Thank you. Appreciate it.

Kathi Burns  20:31 
I appreciate it. Patrick, take care. Hey, thanks for listening to this podcast. I hope you enjoyed this episode. And if you want to hear more, feel free to subscribe on the platform of your choice. Also, if you feel so inclined, I would truly appreciate a good rating from you, to me. Have a stellar day.