Why You've Got To Check Out Today's Episode:

  • Learn why you should stop making bucket lists and make a life list instead.
  • You are never too old to start doing what truly makes you happy.




[00:00:00] Kathi Burns:
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Hi, everyone. We're back, and today we're going to talk about how to ride the waves of an entrepreneurial life. Yep. We all know about that, right? I'm going to introduce you to Judy Wong. I love this lady. She's a compassionate guide on the transformational journey to helps people unlock your full potential and create lives that are filled with joy, abundance, and fulfillment. Judy's an esteemed energy accelerator transformation coach, and also a certified life coach. Her heartfelt passion is for empowering individuals like you, and it shines through with every interaction that you have with her. As you're gonna find out, Judy's expertise helps you tap into your subconscious mind and unleash your true potential. She's a published poet. Yeah. My first one, published poet and a bestselling author. She takes a transformative journey with Judy helps you embrace a life of extraordinary results, as she likes to say, let your abundance flow and live life for living. You're going to love this. Jump in and we're going to talk to Judy right now.

Hi everyone. I'm back, and I am with my girlfriend, Judy Wong. She's the transformative coach, and you're going to love hearing what she has to say, and she's going to give you some nuggets you can walk away with. So welcome to the show, Judy.

[00:02:02] Judy Wong:
Thank you. Good to see you.

[00:02:04] Kathi Burns:
Good to see you again. I'm so excited about this podcast. Everybody meet, Judy. Judy, will you please tell us a little bit about yourself and why I am so excited to speak with you today?

[00:02:16] Judy Wong:
Oh first of all, I love all these wonderful people, especially entrepreneurs, women who are over 60 like me. Yes, I really am over 60. I don't look, I totally get it. Everybody wants to know where my, the fountain of Youth came from. I said no. It's just a Dorian Grey painting. It's in the closet. Don't look. But yeah I am a transformation coach. I started out actually As my other former career before this newest and improve, I always say I'm reinventing every time, but I started out recently started out as a international English educator. I was an international English educator speaker. I was talking around the globe, teaching around the globe, and I turned 60 and here I was facing like this great career, this amazing life, this wonderful business that I was doing. I was teaching, I was selling, I was talking, I was just having a good time. I had just got married. I was doing wonderful. And all of a sudden, all anybody wanted to talk to me about was my retirement and what are my death plans and how am I living on my limited income? I said, are you kidding me? I'm not done yet. I've got a few dozen more careers I wanna work on, and I was like, what are they talking about? These people are absolutely not. And I, I was just no I'm not ready to roll over. And everybody was like, but it's your age and your stage. And I sat there going that's crazy, because this whole bs, excuse me, of ages and stages. It was something we invented in the 1960s. So honestly, children, it doesn't exist.

[00:04:19] Kathi Burns:
I love the fact that, because I'm in the same place, I've reinvented myself so many times and that's why I think we resonate so much together that's never too late to change or do anything you want to do.

[00:04:31] Judy Wong:
Oh, heck no. No. And you know what I realized was, while these people were telling me all this crazy stuff, I was like, Now this is nuts. I've never thought about it like that. I've had more careers in my lifetime than most people had in their families. Seriously. My, my husband, who is hysterical, he says, I'm waiting for the day, honey. When you meet somebody and they tell you what you, they did for a living and you don't go, I remember when I did that and I said sweetheart, I'm not a doctor cause he's a doctor. And I said, I'm not a doctor. I'll never be a doctor. I'm not interested in being a doctor. And he said, yes, but sweetie, you're a holistic healer. I went, good point.

[00:05:22] Kathi Burns:
You married a good one on that one. The fact that he would understand that's the thing that's the kind of doctor I like to go to.

[00:05:28] Judy Wong:
Oh yeah he's like such a cool guy. And the funny part was like, he doesn't look his age either. So I thought he was his kid when I met him, he thought I was a kid. Were we surprised? But yeah, no, and then I realized, As I was watching all of my colleagues and friends being put out to pasture and I was like watching them and they were freaking out just like I did. When I turned 16, everybody said I was supposed to be old and whatever, and they were just really having a hard time. And I thought, that doesn't have to be, because if you think about this, let's really think about this. I used to be a math teacher too at one time, so I do numbers. Okay? And if you're 60 or even 70, you got 30 to 40 more years to go. 30 to 40, not 10 to 20. 30 to 40. It's a lifetime. In the 20th century. The human lifespan has doubled, which is outrageous because it's more than it has in any other millennia. And as my nice sweet, I have a middle son who is a biomedical engineer. He's mom, there's something called evolution and science, right? He's totally right. Really, why are we walking? Why are we walking and making bucket lists? It seemed to me the most absurd thing in the world, because you're complaining about having a 20 year career when you've got 40 more years to go.

[00:07:13] Kathi Burns:
Yeah. It's ironic that we're talking today because I've had a couple friends talk to me about, yes, I'm retiring and one of my best friends in the world who I've known since seventh grade is retiring early. And my question always is, what are you going to do? And she actually has a plan, and actually she's flaming out because she's in the medical industry and dealt with the whole covid. So a lot of people are flaming out and that's why I wanted to have you on this show because I feel that right now the people who are listening are looking at possibly transitioning into something else. And the idea and your message is strong and clear. It ain't over yet. I do whatever the heck you want to do. And I've always felt that way my whole life. I think this is a really needed conversation for us right now. And if you had something, someone that was in this situation that was looking at, let's reinvent, what would your advice be for them if they know they need to get out and they want to do something?

[00:08:11] Judy Wong:
The first thing I always found that is really important, because I had a lot of people coming to me and this was the thing. Is they would come to me and they'd be like, I don't want to roll over and play dead just yet. Just like I didn't, but all of the messages we were getting was to the contrary. And I realized because one of my other careers was I used to work on Madison Avenue, that you tell somebody enough time something, they're going to believe it. And then I also found that some of them were like, okay, I'm gonna reinvent myself. I'm going to do something cool, but what do I do? I've been this or that. And they're defining themselves by the last 20 years of their life. Or the last job that they had, or the last career or the last relationship. And I'm like, okay, I get that you're 70 years old. You did that for 20 years. But like I said, I'm a math teacher. I used to be a math teacher. Do the numbers. You're 70, that was 20 years. What did you do with the other 50? In my book, 50 is a hell of a lot bigger than 20. So why are we sucking it up to the 20 years? It seems absurd to me. And what I found was that most of the people, they don't remember anything before that. There was so much going on, and they were thinking of ages and stages and closing doors, and I said no. It's like the waves, it's like the ocean. I like to think of it, it's like the ocean. You know how waves they come up and they rise. And then they're falling and you'd think they're falling and crashing, but they're really not. They're actually coming down, reassessing, re-energizing and just rebooting. So that they can rise even higher. And that's really what life is about. When we were in our twenties, we never thought anything of, if I was tired of a job and I'm sick of doing this, whatever I was doing, I'm done for that. I'm done with it. I'm not retiring. I'm done with it. I'm quitting. I'm going to find something better to do. I never understood, why do we have to call it retirement? Somebody said to me, but I want the money, and I said, of course you want the money. Who the hell wouldn't want the money? I would want the money. So I'll say, I'll take the retirement money. But I don't have to call myself retired. If you took the severance pay, right? When a company shut down, you remember years ago, companies shut down, they kick you out. They're like, oh, I'm done with you. You're old, or whatever, and they give you a severance package with a great pay. You wouldn't walk away and say, I'm not taking the pay. I'm gonna take the money. Hell, I'll take the money, so you take the money.

[00:11:06] Kathi Burns:
You wouldn't say I'm over either. You're saying, what am I going to do next?

[00:11:09] Judy Wong:
You would never call yourself severance. You took the damn severance, babe, but you'd never call yourself severance. So why are you calling yourself retired? What I found was like, I was working with some people. I worked with some there was this woman I knew and she says, oh, but I'm going to have a better retirement. She did very well with her life and her husband, and they bought a house in a retirement, community free and clear, and were living on their whatever, retirement money, right? She wrote a great book on having a better retirement and she did this better retirement, except she came and she was very upset and I said, why are you upset? She goes, Because the book is making money. I said, it's great. She goes, no, but the book is making so much money. They want me to talk about it and I'm going to make more money. I said, it's even better.

[00:12:09] Kathi Burns:
She didn't want to get the field? She didn't want to go market?

[00:12:11] Judy Wong:
She was upset because she was making too much money. Because it was rapidly approaching six figures. And I'm like, who on this planet actually complains about making, too much money. And then she was like you got to pay more taxes. You got to pay more bills. And I went, look, I have started more than my share of six figure companies, literally when I had not even too nickel to rub together. And I can tell you, if you are pushing six figures in a company, you pay less taxes in the United States than the ones were not. So I, that seems to be a silly kind of concept, right? And then I said to her, but I don't understand, she goes you don't understand. I'm retired and I am living unlimited income. And I asked her, do you like living? She goes we're comfortable because we did very well. So we're comfortable. I said, but do you like being unlimited income? She goes it's the way, it's, I'm retired.

[00:13:24] Kathi Burns:
Oh, yeah, so security. She didn't want to make over a certain amount.

[00:13:28] Judy Wong:
But I said to her, honestly, if you had six figures of money just flowing at you, would you honestly be worried about paying a bill? She goes, I never thought about it that moment. And that's it. What I realized, because I'm an energy healer as well, and I'm an intuit I'm a psychic energy healer, and I realized that silly word retiree retirement was putting in to your energy field, a very negative, a negative vibration. And as soon as we stripped that away, boom, she was happy as all hell making Ted money much on as she can and she just kept making more. So it was like, I think half of the problem is that when we're doing that transition, nobody ever taught us about how to deal with it. Because let's be honest, in our age group, in our generation, we were taught how to be born, how to grow up, how to go to school, how to get a good job, have a family, how to retire and die. So that's why that word retirement has such a negative attachment. No matter how much a positive spin you want to put on it, it's already been embedded in your psyche since you were a child. A very negative. Negative .

[00:15:00] Kathi Burns:
Oh and all the stories of people who retire and then kick the bucket a year later because they have no life. They have nothing to do. They don't know what to do with themselves. That's why my first question is, okay, what are you going to do now?

[00:15:13] Judy Wong:
Yeah, what I realized was that, Especially if you lived as long as we have. We have a lot of garbage and false stories and false labels we've accumulated over the years. And that beautiful light and that core, and you all know what it is because we all had it when we came into this world. That beautiful light, that core that some people call it their sores, their essence, whatever you want to call it. But when we came into this world, nothing was impossible. Everything was possible.

[00:15:44] Kathi Burns:
We got what we wanted when we wanted it immediately, the universe responded.

[00:15:48] Judy Wong:
And the universe could give us anything we wanted. I wanted to go and be an astronaut and we hadn't even figured out how to go to the moon yet. There was a lot of things and we never thought of, no. But here, fast forward, we're now 60, 70. We've had a wonderful career. We loved our career. We're tired of it. Now we want to do something else, right? But now we have so many nos. And the truth is, it's all made up. And so what I've been doing is I found that if I clear, and that's what I do as an energy healer, is I help clear that mess. Because when I opened up, I always call it the cocoon, the cocoon of all the garbage we've created over these years.

[00:16:34] Kathi Burns:
Words with Judy, that's a kind word, the cocoon.

[00:16:36] Judy Wong:
Yes. But when you broke up into cocoon, just like a butterfly, right? When you broke up into cocoon, oh my God. People were telling me, I forgot. I was great at this. I was great at that. I used to love this, I used to love that. And I'm like, so why the hell don't you do it? Why don't you do it? Now there's a lot of healers out there. There's a lot of wonderful people out there who help us clear the garbage. But then what I found, and maybe that's the wisdom of age, what I found was every time we cleared it and we wanted to do all these wonderful, exciting things. Nobody was there to help us know how to do it. And every time we tried to reach out to find out how to do it, People would tell us, I don't know. You're kind of getting on with your age and are you showing you want to, you're gonna have time, right? Why? Why do you want to do that? Don't you want to do something sweat? No. Do it. So that's what I do now. I'm a transformation coach. I help clear the garbage. And then because I've had so many bloody careers and really I've had a lot of crazy ass careers I actually know how to do things. So I know how to pull in the right people to make people's life list, not bucket list, life list a reality. Because I always believe, look, I've got another, what? At least 40 because I'm plan more than that because I'm planning to go to 122 and I expect Kathi, we're going to be dancing at my hundred 22nd birthday. I figure I've got a hell of a lot more careers I can do. And there's a few more that I really want to do and I'm not done yet.

[00:18:17] Kathi Burns:
Yeah. I'm with you on that, reinvention, that is the one thing this consonants change, and I think when we stop changing, it's just sad. Because there's life's so full of possibilities. Like when you stop changing you put that wall at oh, there's no more possibility. There's nothing more that I can do. I am who I am. Who I am. But if you embrace the I am, then you know, you can do anything. You can be anything. You can't reinvent as much as you want. We're two peas in the same pods. I've invented myself so many times. I think, That if you follow your passion follows your skillset. Oftentimes, all the different careers that I've had all throughout my life have now culminated into this bucket of resources that I use with my new career, which is, being an image consultant and an organizer because it's all the things are in there, all the toolkits there. And I think if you take a time to analyze what you're, what you've done in the past, what your skill sets are, they all culminate into what you're passionate about. People just don't take the time to see that. Don't you think?

[00:19:20] Judy Wong:
Yeah. When I asked people like, okay, come on, let's talk about skillsets or they would gimme the last 20 years.

[00:19:27] Kathi Burns:
Yes. Were talking about what? What did you do when you were young?

[00:19:30] Judy Wong:
Yeah. I'm like, that's why I always tell them I go 20 years. Okay. What did you do with the other 50? I had this one woman she's, I love her to death. She was the most amazing person I have ever met, and she came to me like, so she was clinically depressed. She was physically debilitated. She couldn't walk up and down the stairs. She couldn't move. She was in so much pain. She was seeing doctors. She was 72 and life for her was like hard. Yet she still wanted something, but she didn't know where. It's funny because when we cleared all the garbage, her health miraculously improved and the doctors couldn't explain why. And she was telling me she was a teacher, and this is how I got started. I used to talk about teaching and slowly I pivoted from teaching to teaching wellness. Because I realized so many teachers, especially in my age group, needed help. So I started teaching, you know that. And she came to me and it was cute cuz she was like, I don't want to stop teaching, but they told me I have to stop teaching. I said, says, then don't stop teaching. She goes, but I don't like to do what I used to do. I said, so then don't do it the way you used to. And what we found out, When we figured out that she actually did had more skillset other than the last 20 years. She loved to sing and she loved to perform. But when we were young, we were told, those are silly things to do. You can't make money, you can't make money doing that, and you need to be serious and you need to forget about that. And I asked her, she goes, oh, but I'm not very good. I said, really? When you used to sing as a child, Where did you sing? She goes, oh, I used to do competitions all the time. And I said, and how did you do? She goes, I always won. I said you obviously are not that bad if you always won. She goes maybe you just need a little class, maybe some training to just get your voice back this shape again. Cause a voice is like any other tool or any other, instrument. It needs to, you need to exercise it sometimes. And I said, maybe what if, what would you like to do that? And she was like, oh, I'd love to see. So recently I ran into her. I almost did not recognize this woman. She's running around all over town now. She tells me she walks around, she keeps a cane in the back just in case she needs it. And she's teaching again. But she's teaching it on her terms. She's making money, then she's teaching using music. Singing theater, she's writing plays, she's performing. I'm like, God bless you. And she's just glowing. And that's what I keep trying to explain to people. You can't just think about what was the last 20 years of your life. And honestly, the minute you stop growing, And becoming a work in progress, your brain cells start dying. Which is why when they did longevity studies, the people who were in their hundreds, and there's a lot more these days than their hundreds. They never bought into retirement. They never bought into being old. George Burns used to say, you're gonna get older, but you don't have to get old.

[00:23:01] Kathi Burns:
I love that. I love that. And it's so very true. If we keep challenging ourself what I love too about what you do, Judy, is that your people are now making the world better. Because they're actually using their skill sets and their passions and think of all the amplification of this one singing teacher, what she's done now, she's helped people unleash their voices and she's probably counseling the same way. Hey, if you love to sing and dance, you're not too old. Get out there and dance or, whatever. So it just it's a ripple effect of work that we do in the world as change agents to help people embrace change. And That's the beauty of, I think, helping people learn how to change and be less fearful of change.

[00:23:46] Judy Wong:
And they need to, you know what I realize when I finally got put out to pasture during Covid, I realized, you know what, we have so much more to give when and my generation, we're the baby boomers. We were never quiet. We were never roll over, play dead. So why were we allowing society to try and push us into invisibility? Because pretty much that's what people were coming to me. They were so upset. That the world was thinking they're invisible now. And I heard a great quote this, you're going to love this one. I was watching this TED talk on longevity the other day. And was talking about how as we get older, we get happier. And this woman who does these longevity studies, she's saying, she was saying how they were trying so desperately to disprove that, but they couldn't. And she had a great quote in there from her 92 year old father who said he wished people would stop trying to figure out how to save us and instead, Try to figure out how to get us to save the world. Because when you think about it, if you lived as long as we have in 60, 70, 80, 90, think about the wealth, the insane wealth of knowledge, understanding that we have and we have now the wisdom of age. No, we don't get neurotically hysterical over things the way younger folk do. We actually can, which is why they figured out we were happier. It's not that we were happier, it's just we learned how to deal with the bumps in the road. We learned how to ride the waves instead of fight the waves. My kids were all lifeguards and if you ever went to the beach, to the ocean, the lifeguard will always tell you. Don't fight the tide, the wave, the rip tide. When you fight it, you drown. But if you just roll with it and enjoy the ride. You will always come up because that's what it's designed to do is bring you back to the surface, to life, to breathe, to find a new career, to find a new thing. And God knows if you live this long, you've learned a lot of things. So there, there's a lot of great stuff you still can do.

[00:26:20] Kathi Burns:
Yeah, learned a lot of things and we have huge toolkits, exactly. We don't even know that we have.

[00:26:25] Judy Wong:
Like that young lady in her seventies who realized she still had a voice and she could sing, and the great thing is that one of the things was her relationship with her husband was faltering. Because her husband and her, they both met when they were young and she wanted to be an artist. He wanted to be a filmmaker. And he did the traditional route and started doing, what he did to do, to keep making money. And because of her, he's thinking of making films again, or just thinking of filming her, and that's making him feel better. So yes, it's like a trickle thing. And I always, somebody used, a teacher used to say to me, oh, but I'm just one little person. Who am I going to affect? And when you think about a teacher, especially young grade school teachers even, university teachers, how many students have crossed their path? And if they lit the candle 1, 2, 3, 4, 5. How many more did they light up?

[00:27:32] Kathi Burns:
Okay, so this is an organizing podcast, so I need to talk to you a little bit about how you keep your life organized and streamline and simplified. Is there anything that you use in your day-to-day that helps keep you focused and linear and on task?

[00:27:51] Judy Wong:
Two things. I always have to remind myself, one, what is really important here? We get so, and I do it too. You know the squirrely thing, right? You wanna do this, you gotta do that. You see the shiny object, you gotta do this, you gotta do that. But then you know, the real thing is the why. Somebody told me once, what is your big why? Okay, you want this big cool career? Why? So that I can play, like I, my husband said to me the other day, he is maybe I just wanna play on the golf course. And I'm like, okay, that's great. But why? Because I really love golf. Okay. Yeah. But why? Because I love doing things my way. Yeah, but why? Because I have the freedom. And I said that's great. You got to keep in mind the big why, not the little steps. Because you know what, when you think about the big why, all the little steps make sense and then you know which are the right little steps to take towards it.

[00:28:59] Kathi Burns:
Doesn't it seem like freedom? Freedom seems to be the back end of everything, I want more money. I want more. Why? Cause I wanna be free. Why do you want free? So that I can do whatever I want to do. Which leads us full circle back around to the top of our conversation.

[00:29:13] Judy Wong:
What do you want to do?

[00:29:15] Kathi Burns:
Why are you not doing what you want to do? Because you are free to do whatever the heck you want. It's live in the same town their whole life and never leave, because they think they can't or something, or maybe they're happy there, I don't know. People don't feel that they're they are free to make choices.

[00:29:30] Judy Wong:
They don't think about that. They don't think about that. And you know what, somebody said to me, oh, I can't do this because this is that and this is my parents. I said, Excuse me, but you're like 71 years old. Do you really give two shits about what your parents think about it? And that's what you got to think about is your why. So like my husband who said, I want, they wanna, maybe my friend just wants to do golfing. I said, so great. It doesn't mean you can't make money at it. The problem I always found was that we had this crazy embedded idea that fun equals no work. Work equals no fun. Why the hell can't work equal fun? . Why can't I be having a bloody good time? And making a ton of money doing it. There is nothing against the law to do that. And I think that's one of the biggest mindsets. We as our generation have a hard time, you have to work hard.

[00:30:38] Kathi Burns:
It has to be a thing.

[00:30:39] Judy Wong:
You got to be miserable. Why? Somebody said to me, I actually had a younger coach asked me, she said, you had so many careers. Was that cuz you were trying to find your purpose and you were working towards something? I said actually, No, it's because I was having a bloody good time. And I'll tell you where that came from. When I was 18 and my college career, I was supposed to be a junior and my college career got derailed by my mother. And I was a professional actress at the time, and I saw all these young people who were my age having schools on there. So I said, oh, maybe I should get a school. And I got a school and my first scene partner was this man who was 55 years old. And I looked at him because to an 18 year old, right? 55. It's older than the Hills. And I was like, honey, why are you even here in this acting school? And he goes, I'm a retired fireman. I'm a retired cop. I'm a retired English teacher. I've always thought it would be really cool to maybe be an actor someday, or a director. I'm gonna do it. And I went, oh. And he says, you know what? I plan on doing every bloody ass thing I ever thought of and all the time during my lifetime, and I'm gonna keep doing them until I've done all of them that I want to do, just because I want to. And I thought that was the most brilliant idea anybody has ever said to me. And we were lifelong friends and yes, he did become a career actor and director. And I, every time I did another thing I was like, wow that's gonna be cool to do. I'm going to do it. And like I always told my kids, don't ever do anything half-ass. Do it 300%. So anytime I go into a business or another career, or another entrepreneurial, and whenever you do anything, I always say, do it 300%. You know what, there's nothing wrong with be making mistakes or being imperfect. Be perfect in your imperfection. That means you're learning. That means you're growing. And to me, That means you're going to be better than ever at what you're doing. And if you're better than ever at what you're doing and you're having a bloody good time doing it, you're going to make money. Just like that woman who was making money on her book and she didn't even want to make money, the money will flow.

[00:33:18] Kathi Burns:
And I do agree with you. The perfection is overrated.

[00:33:22] Judy Wong:
Yes. My other big rule is, and this is one of the hardest things, Entrepreneurs, we all have this problem schedule in downtime. We always forget to do that.

[00:33:39] Kathi Burns:
Because you have to revitalize, if you don't have downtime, you're just burn out.

[00:33:43] Judy Wong:
Even if you're doing something you love to do, and I used to do that. I'd be working 24 hours a day going, but I'm loving it. I'm having a great time. I'm making art, I'm doing this, I'm doing whatever, but you're gonna burn out. So you have to schedule some downtime. Even if you're having fun.

[00:33:59] Kathi Burns:
I love that. And especially if you're having a blast, you need to still curb it back and give yourself a pause switch screens. Go do something that you don't do normally. I'm all for that.

[00:34:11] Judy Wong:
Or if you're lucky, like me have a nice husband who's wonderful and when he sees that I'm being something really stupid like that, he grabs me and he sticks me in front of him and goes, honey, repeat after me. No.

[00:34:24] Kathi Burns:
A mango. The mango says. No, I love that. Okay let's, we need to do a wrap because we've run a little bit late, but we could just chat forever actually. So talk to the people you're listening and our lovely audience. What is it that you will offer to them?

[00:34:43] Judy Wong:
I do have, lemme see if I can get the the link here. I do have a free thing that you can do.

[00:34:50] Kathi Burns:
And I'll put the link below in the show notes.

[00:34:52] Judy Wong:
Okay. I will give you the link. It's something that I get because I really care. I've I'm determined to raise my whole bloody generation out of this stupid place of old and I realized at the very first step to do that, Just an, it's a little guide, PDF guide, I know, a workbook kind of thing that just takes you through some thinking steps. Do simple things like figuring out some of the things you forgot. And so in this little freebie thing, it's a little guide and at the end of the guide is actually a link to an audio energy clearing. . Because I realize sometimes we need a little more than just trying to do it on our own. Because our subconscious is busy trying to tell us to shut up and just pay attention to what our mother told us to do. And I love our mothers, that was then, this is now. And as my son likes to say, there's something called science and evolution. So why are you trying to walk towards your death? Stop making bucket lists. Keep making life lists and this will help get you started towards your first life list.

[00:36:03] Kathi Burns:
I love that. That's fantastic. And do you, is the link easy to say? Do you wanna say it here audio wise?

[00:36:09] Judy Wong:
It's one of those really long ones. It's on my website. It's a thank you free energy reset guide, clearing perfectly.

[00:36:16] Kathi Burns:
And your website URL is

[00:36:18] Judy Wong:
Living out loud ain't over yet. com . We are not. Over yet.

[00:36:25] Kathi Burns:
That's right. We're not over yet. We got many more things to do in this world. For sure. I'm with you on that. It's been a pleasure. I just love always speaking with you and I'm sure that the audience out there, Hey, if you're thinking about retirement, just ditch that word from your brain. In fact, even if you're 20, ditch the whole world. Just get it gone.

[00:36:48] Judy Wong:
And yeah, reinvent. But somebody actually said to me, they said I'm reinventing and I'm gonna do something different as a retiree. And I went and they're going, but why isn't it working? I said, because you already decided you're a retiree. So ditch it.

[00:37:01] Kathi Burns:
Ditch it. I'm in the reinvention mode. Which, you and I, we've been doing that our whole life.

[00:37:07] Judy Wong:
Or say you're reincarnating. I don't know it. There you go. Reignite it. Have a great time. And always have fun because if you're not having fun, find something else to do. There's a million things to do in the world.

[00:37:25] Kathi Burns:
And if you're not making money, it's probably because you're not making fun. You're not having fun doing it.

[00:37:29] Judy Wong:
Exactly. Because the world knows that you're not having fun. So why should you be doing it?

[00:37:36] Kathi Burns:
Yay. Thank you so much. Until next week, you guys go ahead and download Judy's free gift. Also a copy, a free copy of my book How to Master Your Muck is available with the link below. So go ahead and download both of our free treats and enjoy and think about what you want to do next because there's always something that you've been wanting to do forever. Think about it and see how you can make that a reality. So until then, gang, we will see you next week. Thanks, Judy.

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